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Lloyd Roses
Blue-Fire Confederation of xXPIZZAXx
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Posted - 2013.07.18 16:05:00 -
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Those changes are awesome!
I'm totally **** happy about the deimos 4th mid, that gimmicky Kovorix-vaga-buff and DAT SACRILEDGE!
In all honesty, Sacriledge just looks amazing now, easily fitting med neut/1600/5 HAMs and now even having a drone bay (didn't notice the old one tbh) and THAT MWD BONUS! To me, Sacriledge is the new welpcane :)
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Lloyd Roses
Blue-Fire Confederation of xXPIZZAXx
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Posted - 2013.07.18 16:06:00 -
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Michael Harari wrote:I dont get all the people saying the ishtar needs more buffs. Tbqh, you could remove the highslots entirely and it would still be one of the best hacs.
It's not all that great without links... I only correct my own spelling. |
Lloyd Roses
Blue-Fire Confederation of xXPIZZAXx
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Posted - 2013.07.22 11:47:00 -
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Internet Explorer ate my post. Will edit later. I only correct my own spelling. |
Lloyd Roses
Blue-Fire Confederation of xXPIZZAXx
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Posted - 2013.07.22 14:26:00 -
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Kagura Nikon wrote: My point on the mids was. IF they are adamant on keepign shield boost bonus. Then it needs a 5th mid.
Not at all. With that shieldtank-bonus, you got the choic between large SB+CB (like a shieldlegion), XL-ASB with 180s or the good old fit. The good old fit is now A LOT better thanks to that mwd-bonus.
Pretty much the same to the muninn. I believe some nanogroupies will go crazy over the 6th lowslot on that one \o/ (at least I do) I only correct my own spelling. |
Lloyd Roses
Blue-Fire Confederation of xXPIZZAXx
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Posted - 2013.07.24 18:10:00 -
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I would totally love:
Marauder-Hardpoints, cause my HUD would look near identical to a frig's with 3 guns (like using 3 highslots for weaponry, acting as 6 turrets, boosted by fitting boni to achieve the same damage as before)
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Lloyd Roses
Blue-Fire Confederation of xXPIZZAXx
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Posted - 2013.07.24 18:55:00 -
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M1k3y Koontz wrote:nikar galvren wrote:M1k3y Koontz wrote:Lloyd Roses wrote:I would totally love:
Marauder-Hardpoints, cause my HUD would look near identical to a frig's with 3 guns (like using 3 highslots for weaponry, acting as 6 turrets, boosted by fitting boni to achieve the same damage as before)
100% damage bonus would be cool. ~50k EHP, over 750 DPS, that would be worth 150m+ Would also make epic snipers... +1. double damage bonus would allow for damage application and easier cap management. /me wants it And easier to fit. 4 guns putting out the damage of 8 would free up about 100+pg on all the HACs
Yo - less modules, same damageoutput. 3 Guns acting as 6 with tuned down shiphullboni should be matching.
(3 mostly cause I was interested to see how those marauderhighs would affect CS, sacrifing two guns each for a link in such a scenario, and CS would be clearly 33% more effective dps-wise following straight on such an idea)
I also didn't even think about fittings, but having smaller variation in used powergrid depending on weapontier should make for some more predictable PG/CPU-allocation and less overwhelming fitting differences between shield- and armortanking, as curently most HACs can't use higher tier weapon systems unless shieldfitted. (which is kind of a KO-criteria for the 720-armor-muninn against it's loki-pendant) I only correct my own spelling. |
Lloyd Roses
Blue-Fire Confederation of xXPIZZAXx
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Posted - 2013.07.24 19:18:00 -
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Baren wrote:I`ve noticed alot of people talking about all the stats..
I really think we should be descussing the functions of these ships. If they will have roles, and what roles bonus they will have.
No point arguing about stats ship by ship if we dont know what role it is even supposed to have. and what its purpose is
They are obviously something from a straight PITA in solosituations with their sigradius/active tank (thx to baseresists), Escortships for even bigger ships (like the shielddeimos is/used to be a support ship for alphanados) or oversized Wolfpacks (see shadoo on arrrrrrrrrrrrmorrrrrrrhacs) - at least that what I believe they do best. I only correct my own spelling. |
Lloyd Roses
Blue-Fire Confederation of xXPIZZAXx
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Posted - 2013.07.25 09:45:00 -
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just noticed that the Eagle still got TWO 10% optimal range boni. Shouldn't that one be a single 20% bonus?
Remember that concept of tags, like cheap, fast, resilent, raw dps, projetion, ewar - and t1 ships pick some including cheap, t2 picking some less, but powerful variations. Two 10% Boni to that are a recurring situation from the BS rebalance: Hyperion/Tempest. One get's a 10% bonus + local rep, while the other gets two boni worth about as much as one of the others.
Mean, the hull will in smallscale-scenarios still be picked - if at all - for those 15km range with null, which happens to be around linked web/scram-range.
More things I didn't see yet:
hull affecting the signature resolution (anti-tackle) hull affecting the mass penalty of propmods (could make a vgabond viable agilitywise compared to a cynabal while mwd'ing) I only correct my own spelling. |
Lloyd Roses
Blue-Fire Confederation of xXPIZZAXx
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Posted - 2013.07.25 13:40:00 -
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If anyone says that the MWD-Bonus won't change a lot: you are so shamefully wrong.
I can't say it about HACs (yet), but as an example from flying lokis. Comparing the incoming damage of adaptive shielding to amp node in the same situation (orbiting missile ships/ABCs/Battleships) at 20-40km, the incoming damage is much lower using the amp node (which only grants some 40% reduction). Both fits orbiting something singlewebbed with mwd on (~1.4 km/s). I believe my sigs should have been ~750 against ~420.
So considering the experienced damage mitigation yet alone on a loki, sigradius overshadowing the theoretical advantage of higher resists even, that MWD Bonus is going to change a lot. It will change things significantly less for F1-Drones, but that's due to the scenario, not the ship. I only correct my own spelling. |
Lloyd Roses
Blue-Fire Confederation of xXPIZZAXx
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Posted - 2013.07.25 14:50:00 -
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Quote:nobody said the mwd bonus isnt good for an orbiting kiter ship like the vaga but it is nearly useless for every other hac so why give all 8 the same role bonus when only 1 can use it out?
I see great potential for it being useful on Sacriledge/Deimos/Eagle/Ishtar to get into brawling range alive. Get blapped 50% less by marauding Talos'.
The others are kiting ships. Others = Cerb, Zealot, Muninn, Vaga. Arguably the Eagle and Deimos (especially with new slot layout and LR-weapon changes) be labeled kiter aswell.
Actually I saw people using the ishtar to mitigate damage in a kitestyle aswell. Which mostly works great together with berserkers and some longer range webs. With that amount of highspeed maneuvring, it is good to be less easy to hit - especially with the current new dawn of cruise missiles.
So mwd-bonus is adding to the vaga - but equally or nearly equally to all the other 7 aswell. It might not go far enough for the people who expected sigbased immunity to anything, but it is a HUGE step forward.
And can't wait to fly a zealot with that bonus. Was one of two decent hacs before (ishtar being the other one), and will now most likely not stop dominating that class. I only correct my own spelling. |
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Lloyd Roses
Blue-Fire Confederation of xXPIZZAXx
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Posted - 2013.07.25 15:29:00 -
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Baali Tekitsu wrote: Talos' wont blap HACs because of their T2 resist profile anyway, maybe except the Munnin. Its plain dumb to give them a bonus which is used the first 10 sec of the fight and doesnt matter anyway because you are going to be approaching them, not orbiting while getting closer. It cant be denied that these hulls are made for brawling and doing some weird sniper stuff just to utilise the bonus shouldnt be the way to go.
''I don't always go to a brawl, but if I do, I use a subpar ship for it. Because my Deimos is Tech 2, it clearly is a superior brawler compared to the Brutix, amirite?''
It means: Don't fight guns with knifes. I only correct my own spelling. |
Lloyd Roses
Blue-Fire Confederation of xXPIZZAXx
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Posted - 2013.07.25 23:46:00 -
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Deirdre Anethoel wrote: Agreed. The cerb is SLOWER than a T3 BCs. Seriously, it's a cruiser. Even if they're supposed to be tough brawlers and not kitting ships (and I doubt that since the amount of range bonuses they have is pretty high), they should have a decent speed. Not navy cruiser speed (leave them that), but definitely as fast as their tech1 counterpart. And definitely a lot faster than tier3 BCs.
I really did like the difference between vaga and cynabal. Since the vaga aligns like a brick in comparison, it matched the 'sturdy' theme pretty well. Wish though it would have been faster afterall. It shouldn't lose on both. I only correct my own spelling. |
Lloyd Roses
Blue-Fire Confederation of xXPIZZAXx
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Posted - 2013.07.27 11:12:00 -
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Vayn Baxtor wrote:Now I'm starting to think that the kiting philosophy of Vaga and other HACs of that fashion are actually more of a "Combat Recon" mentality... minus the ewar stuff. Which is quite "duh"
Use a loki, is a better muninn with higher speed, smaller sig, improved tank, more agility ad a longrangeweb. And 20% more alpha. I only correct my own spelling. |
Lloyd Roses
Blue-Fire Confederation of xXPIZZAXx
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Posted - 2013.07.29 11:20:00 -
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sten mattson wrote:MystLynx wrote:WHAT 3 MEDS FOR THE MUNINN? people dont seem to cry out "WHAT 3 MEDS FOR THE MALLER/OMEN/NOMEN/NAUGOROR/ZEALOT/ABSOLUTION!!!!!ONEONE!!!ONE!!!" from what i can see.
They appear to be quite balanced anyways. Also, double-LSE and point/mwd would probably dangerously shift the kiting-balance, where slicers/NOmens already dominate.
Sure, let's take some lows and make utility-highs and mids out of it... Suddenly wtf no 6/7 lows... I only correct my own spelling. |
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